At 11:29 13/01/02 +1300, Jithen Singh wrote:
>and one again i emphasis the point ..
>
>I think its wrong that if you are not making a substantial profit on the
>service dont apply retrictions on the users .. !!

instead of throwing your opinions about which don't really mean squat in
the big wide world - why not come up with facts to support your end ? did
you buy a dedicated 128k connection to places outside your ISP ? how is the
ISP restricting you ? point out the EXACT terms and conditions they are
violating FROM YOUR CONTRACT otherwise pull your head in, we don't want to
hear your OPINIONS, and then, if the ISP is violating their contract then
either take them to court or fair go or some other authority or shut the
hell up.

--
Steve.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Hellberg" <odysseus@soa.co.nz>
>To: <adsl@lists.unixathome.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:15 PM
>Subject: Re: JetStream/Start DHCP woes , FTP & capping (fwd)
>
>
> >
> > oops. should have CC'd the list, and adsl-chat
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:39:25 +1300 (NZDT)
> > From: Chris Hellberg <odysseus@soa.co.nz>
> > To: Jithen Singh <Jiriteach@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: JetStream/Start DHCP woes , FTP & capping
> >
> > It depends on your perception of a service. Web is certainly providing a
>service they purport to sell.
> > What more do you expect from the cards clearly laid on the table - free
>dental for a year?
> > Yes other providers may be selling variants of the jetstart service, but
>that's another provider
> > which may have a completely different pricing and traffic model.
> >
> > Whether an ISP is making a large profit or not, it doesn't matter, you
>deciced to purchase their
> > product. You're still getting the service that, in this case of win.co.nz,
>say you are getting.
> >
> > Good money is a pretty broad term anyway and means different things to
>different people so
> > it's hard use as a yardstick. Get some numbers in the discussion, then
>you're talking.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Jithen Singh wrote:
> >
> > > I tend to disagree with that point, of what the good money acutally
> > > represents. Users are paying for a service, we are not paying money to
>make
> > > ISP's rich !. ie. For them to make a profit. To users of the service it
>is
> > > good money. You know there has been much discussion many a time on this
>adsl
> > > forum about the cost of adsl in new zealand. We the users see it as
>being
> > > good money, maybe you the isp's dont. You guys opted to provide a
>service at
> > > that price well then provide the service.
> > >
> > > I think its wrong that if you are not making a substantial profit on the
> > > service dont apply retrictions on the users ..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "List Server Account" <lists@bagel.gen.nz>
> > > To: "Biff (Paradise)" <biff@paradise.net.nz>
> > > Cc: "Adsl2" <adsl@lists.unixathome.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 3:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: JetStream/Start DHCP woes , FTP & capping
> > >
> > >
> > > > Suprisingly enough, I actually agree with most of what you are saying.
>It
> > > > really comes down to the fact that Jetstart is not 128 full
>utilization,
> > > > and I'd be suprised if any ISP represents it as such.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and I don't agree with the fact that users are paying "good
> > > > money".  Good money would be enough that the ISP is making a
>substancial
> > > > profit on the service.  ISP's are giving customers exactly what they
>are
> > > > paying for when it comes to ADSL.
> > > >
> > > > For the record, we do stipulate - clearly - that FTP and P2P apps get
>low
> > > > priority, which is exactly what happens.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > David Gottschalk
> > > > Web InterNet Ltd
> > > >
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> >
> >
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