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From: leety_at_ihug.co.nz
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:42:36 +1300
Message-id: <434dbb8c.d6.4d3c.1886738118@ihug.co.nz>

Bit OT but there are some DSL technical questions near the
end (marked as such).

It appears that the CC have reached their decision on TC's
application for regulated UBS service from Telecom.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10349994
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/47C3F9A66500AFA6CC257098002A1628

Basically, it appears they have decided to require Telecom
to offer non rate limited download/downstream but again made
no mention of the upstream which suggest Telecom can get
away with 128k upstream. I still don't understand why they
originally appeared to recommend 128k upstream and wonder if
they realise they seriously screwed up which is why they're
ignoring this aspect. What's the use of unrestricted
downstream with 128k upstream I don't know but I suppose you
could try and deliver some sort of video multiplexing or
some such.

Also, they suggest the churn fee should be around $8 down
from the $36.42 which was down from the high of $110.
Interestingly, Telecom have to have the regulated service
ready within 4 weeks from the final ruling! However
TelstraClear need to get their systems up and running which
is going to take longer then that so it doesn't appear to
matter.

They've also removed the differentation between businesses
and residential.

>technical question below
Telecom suggests the unrestricted speed will affect long
distance customers. Can anyone comment on this? I was under
the impression the Dslams and modems were supposed to be
capable of negoitiating the maximum speed the line is
capable of. Given that they used to offer unrestricted speed
and did not rate cap at the Dslam this would seem to be the
case. Or have they really increase the maximum range of
customers that can be served by enforcing limits at the
Dslam? Or does this have to do with some extra feature that
needs to be enabled to get maximum distance? I'm only aware
of interleaving which I believe affects latency but not
transfer rate. Even if there is something, can't Telecom
just set up a system to enable it when necessary? The
decision clearly allows them to work within the limitations
of the equipement. Is this more to do with they way they
advertise/plan their systems? If they intend to limit to
2mbit, they only have to make sure every customer can
achieve this but surely they can still do this even when
they allow unrestricted downstream.
>technical question above

Are there any implications for other ISPs? Only TC ended up
complaining and I believe other ISPs therefore cannot ask
for this service? Also, I believe Telecom is thinkin of
taking the CC to court over this, claiming they've made
procedural errors
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/default/954DD9D7B72B1738CC2570450083B563).
Is this likely to affect/delay the decision or it's
implimentation or will Telecom be forced to proceed while
the courts decide?

Personally I don't think this is going to make a difference
to me. I'm still using 256k because of the data costs of
2mbit services and the slow upstream doesn't help.

P.S. Wired Country seems likely to be sold and it's not
clear to me how much they expect their purchasor to expand
since they're selling theyir spectrum
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/6F7805CF689B91CBCC25709700646EB9

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